Transcript:Ervin Laszlo/Science and prophecy

Transcript of: Science and prophecy by Ervin Laszlo

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Ladies and gentlemen, after possibly the most wonderful introduction I've ever had in my career, I think I should say thank you for having had me. Even at the risk of disappointing you are going to support speak well, let me say how pleased I am about the very great honor it is to speak to a group that comes together not merely for the usual purposes, off professionalism, trying to find out what the other man knows or doesn't know our entertainment only, but for a common spiritually gathering for a meeting off personalities, off spirits of intelligence. And I hope that this is in this spirit that we can try to explore together some off the new findings, the new insides that are one today in the sciences. I was very much struck yesterday, very deeply gratified by Madam Rabbani's remark about the importance placed on the independent investigation off scientific, inside scientific knowledge. I was in a position, and I'm still in a position where I am carrying out such independent investigation on I find that this investigation is paralleled in some sense by the face that you are shared and which to me, it's a very attractive and so very valid. Now, without further remarks for the preliminaries, let me read to you primarily because I understand there are some French speaking friends here. She was salute his army francaise, the expression francaise long actually, probably longer. But these French speaking friends of ours who were getting interpretation so I shall remain with detects that's prepared which perhaps, if you like, may also be available afterwards. But I cannot prevents myself not resisted temptation to make some remarks every once in a while about things that I've heard things that I've learned even just in these little over 24 hours since I have participated in this meeting. First of all, let me start is a quotation from show. Be offended. I was so very pleased yesterday that Madame Rabbani emphasize some of the same quotation that struck me because she knows them all. And I only know a few. But it was a great confirmation to me that at least the ones that I happen to know and then I chose are also important to her. 1st 1 is this and I quote Baha'i face teaches that the fundamental purpose of religion is to promote Concord and Harmony that it must go hand in hand. This science and that it constitutes the soul and ultimate days is of a peaceful and order and progressive society. The past peace in contemporary society is not just one of the many crests of humankind, but the basic and the ultimate crest. Without it, no other goals can be achieved. No other purposes can be pursued. Human survival is at stake. The continuation of the remarkable adventure off life and consciousness that is embodied in our species. This quest is off more than local significance. Surely met us for the entire universe for whatever spirits are intelligence that we call by name of God is at work a species that has gained knowledge of itself and some, although perhaps still rudimentary but already significant knowledge off the nature of the cosmos that such a species should survive and achieve a higher, a more perfect understanding both of itself and of the world. In humankind, the world comes to know itself and the humankind vanishes. The world itself becomes poorer, less able to reflect before so the spirit, all the intelligence that underlies it's complex and harmonious processes. The past peace can only be spread through understanding. Peace doesn't come about by accident. The car czar to stated against it in a world that is complex and full of short sighted practices that selfish interests understanding, however, can be gained in different weights. One of the races through inside an intuition, the other through reasoning and experimentation. The former is the domain of religion. The letter off science, the way so inside an intuition is unfettered by considerations off method on application, off preconceived rules. It moves about the clouds and views the fastest. His strong point is deaths and perspective. Perhaps its weak point is dependence on personal inside on personal revelation. Ways. Through reasoning and experimentation moves close the ground. It looks on Lee before the heat and test the ground before placing put on it. It's weakness is reduced horizons and the possible loss of perspective. It's advantage is the certitude conveyed by repeatable test and by observations it past. The peace, then is through understanding and the way of understanding takes that either sue the high road off prophecy or the low road off science. But that's just choice. Create a problem. I fully agree with mother, Rabbani said yesterday. It does not create a problem. This two roads come together into behind face and in contemporary science. This is the ideal case in which the two roads lead to the same destination when science and religion go hand in hand. In this case, the prophecy is true and the science is valid and together the offer perspective with insight, detailed specifications with applicable information, wisdom with knowledge going hand in hand, science and religion can be, in the words of shaggy, offended the ultimate basis of a piece who ordered in a progressive society. But he knows that follow. Give some indications that this indeed maybe the actual case in the instance presented by the high right things and buy some fields of contemporary science. If the harmony between the spiritual and intellectual content heads could be demonstrated, religious face would be bolstered by scientists acknowledge, and they threw together with shine brightly as the torches that light humankind's past. The method I have chosen for my presentation this morning to tackle this vast and challenging task is simple and perhaps America, but it is to the point it is to take a passage one of the few passages that I'm familiar with that seems to be particularly relevant and meaningful from the basic writings of the behind face, and to place it alongside some of the conclusions that emerged from the study of the theories of the pertinent new sciences. Clearly, neither can I cover all the passages that are particularly relevant and meaningful in behind writing. Nor can I cover all the theories and findings of the contemporary sciences. But perhaps I can demonstrate the feasibility off tackling this fast, and perhaps I can encourage others were more qualified and I to bring this the completion. Let me then begin by coating some of these remarkably insight. Prophetic ins passages from the behind, I thinks, and then tell you what I think of them in the light of the contemporary scientific knowledge systems. First well is all well known court from Baha'u'llah welding off mankind. Its peace and security are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. Further quote on this from show be offended. His cause stands identified with and revolves around the principal off the organic unity of mankind as representing the consummation off the whole process off human Abbas and immediately following this, I would like to add another quote from Baha'u'llah as follows The winds of despair R L s blowing from every direction and destroyed the device and afflict the human race is daily increasing The signs of impending convulsions and chaos cannot be discerned Inasmuch as the prevailing order appears to be lemon public. The citations to my mom together convey one single and basic truths truths that peace and well being are impossible without unity and that the attainment of unity takes us through despair, trying convulsions and chaos. This prophetic insight is remarkable in that it perceives this unity as a prelude to and not as a contradiction or negation off unit. It's remarkable also in that its use humankind's pass on this planet as a process of evolution for the mature, fully evolved condition. These insights were known to Baha'u'llah a century and 1\/2 ago. They were not known to science until a few years ago. That there now no to the followers of the high space as well as to the international scientific on guard, gives us cause for hope. As we look around us and see the winds of despair blowing from every direction. We cannot find more and more reasons to be assured that these are not winds off the solution, decadence and devolution, but wins that Harold new synthesis, a new creativity, a new and decided to step in evolution, a step that, in the words off Shoki offended, marks the highest stage in the stupendous evolution of men's collective life on this planet. Let me come now to these. I already mentioned independently investigated scientific knowledge systems, and I ask you to bear with me for a little while as I go through some of these perhaps a tte first side, somebody difficult of theories. But I'll try to make them understandable because they're very important, I think very important for you and for all people. For you, especially who have the same convictions already. And you'll find that it's confirmed by the science must keep in mind that science always proceeds in different stages. There's a so called normal stage, and scientists are very cautious and the experiment and they try to prove Buress. And then every once in a ball, there happened to be revolutions. Insides complete transformations off the basic assumptions on alternative theories, New conceptions coming up. Some fears of contemporary sciences have been in such a state of revolution for at least the past decade. New theories have emerged on classical conceptions have collapsed. The most remarkable among these new fields are those. That deal is the emergence off complexity in nature and in the human world. These fields have originated with general system theory. Pioneered my logic from verse. Alanssi Four Wives. Rappoport Cannot Bolding and a few others who may may know they progressed with the science of cybernetics developed by Norbert Wiener and others in the 19 sixties favor reinforced by the work off hard on catchall ski. Really a precaution got the Nobel Prize for it in the 19 seventies and their followers by John for Norman and other people who today in these new fields, which span physics, biology, social around and even mathematics, who developed this field in a way that does not fit into any classical disciplinary compartments, they deal this complexity. They deal with how complex systems evolve, how they interact, how they exist in this dynamic world. These new fields show that complexity more precisely complex, dynamic systems such as particles sells atoms, molecules, organisms, ecologists so scientists and so on. How these emerge in a constant and get this continuous process that is creative, which is far from predetermined. Unlike the traditional science, is that your evolution as a deterministic process is oriented toward the state off equilibrium, which underemphasized chance and instability in Taylor off stability control. Predictability. These new sciences do not formulate that would uniquely determine the way evolution unfolds. The newly conceived laws state ensembles groups off possibilities. Reason which evolution can find its own way as really a precaution. Points out, these dynamic, complex systems have what he calls a divergence property. What is this? It means that if you start from the same initial conditions from the same basic point for two systems, which are exactly the same at that time and you allow them to develop to evolve, one will go in one way or the other might be bald in a different way. The way the evolve off course, it's not chaotic, not totally free, not hopefully anarchic. There are some loss within which all the systems must exist. These are the possibilities, the constraints given in the universe. But these are very broad, very generous possibility. And within these possibilities, each system chooses its own. As he chooses its next evolutionary stage, fresh opportunities, fresh possibilities become available. Thus, in this new evolution is created its past. Is all this logical? It's all this comprehensible. If you look backwards, we can always understand why a system has evolved the way did. But its future is open. Its future is open to choice, so the past of the system is part off its present, but its future is not. Its future arises from its present on the basis of a creative choice that incorporates the general laws but allows freedom allows creativity. Evolution has a general direct and also has a dominant dynamic away off progressing in the direction. So let me illustrate this very general statements in the garden. Some more specific, more concrete. Let's look at the levels off evolution honors. You heard a great deal yesterday about our reality. Nature operates on different levels. I myself would not like to put any value judgment levels to me, an atom or a media or a plankton, and the sea is a very good system is a very stable system to me I don't see myself being a better one than the media. We are operating, however, on different levels. Evolution. And these are levels which we can organize in, perhaps in three large categories. Perhaps I'd like to get the first slide at this point. These three categories make up material systems in the universe. Living systems on the social human systems. Hopefully, you can make these out the lines. This horizontal lines are simply meant to indicate many, many different levels off organizations in Ridge. These systems that emerge in the course of time in the universe exists lowest level in the realm of message. Nancy Ward last night saying Beautiful about the three levels. She didn't know it, but the lowest level is Bert, our plants and animals. And then come people. Of course, people live in societies, so the highest level is a socio cultural level off communities of human beings. So evolution moves on the whole from the lower to the higher levels. But it does not leave the lower levels empty. Obviously, the universe is full of Athens, full of particles full of molecules, even know how, what enormously wide range off systems, particle systems and even molecular systems exist in the universe. But whenever conditions are suitable, like on the surface off a planet such as Earth, these already structured molecule er and super molecular systems pulled together the emerge under conditions, which I will say a few words about in a minute and out of this emerges, then the next level off simple organisms. The proto by owns the proto sells the precursors off life when one this has a occurred and it has occurred in a surprisingly short time after the birth was formed, perhaps already 1,000,000,000 years. And this is about you're talking about 5,000,000,000 years. Total appearance already after 1,000,000,000 years that the Earth was formed, these life forms have emerged. It's not an accident, it can't be accident. People are now, they're saying very strongly. Biologists tell you there's not enough time for a random process to bring applies. It must have been a purpose. Must have been something embedded in the nature off the universe that allows these higher level systems to come about as soon as conditions are right, and so biological systems emerge on the second level. And when these systems achieved a certain level off complexity, they begin to interact, and it can happen. Also probably elsewhere in the universe Need not happen. In every case that mind consciousness self awareness emerges. And the systems that form are not merely social systems such as the colony of ants or bees, but also socio cultural systems, systems that can know themselves no the universe and can have an inkling off. Their creator, Thank you wanted access for. Look at this serious of system that emerge because if you do look at them, you will immediately see the unity, the unity off nature, the unity of creation because the system's themselves move from level to level. What each level continues to exist from particles, the atoms molecules macro molecules to the protozoa methods. You are the complex systems, the ecological systems and the social system. We as individuals. Our methods are we are multi cellular systems ourselves. We live within ecosystems. We live in the embrace of nature, and the lead is a socio cultural system, which is ultimately the society that embraces all human beings. The global society. What happens is that as evolution progresses, given time, even much time, but it does speed up, as I'll say in a moment, uh, the strongly bonded particles, the units that are very strongly mounded, like the elementary part because the actor they get integrated in higher and higher level system, which are less strongly bonded but more flexible, more complex, more creative. You know what happens when you break apart and that we all know that when it happens like it did. Internal bills were all rather worried about in an uncontrolled sesh, but then it's controlled. Of course, you can use this energy, but it's an enormous energy in a tiny, tiny sub microscopic system. It would break apart molecule. The energy release is much less to break apart the human being. The energy that's release is so small that wanted the register on an instrument. But we do know that it was there because all of the integral, unity off often organism that makes it one system it disappears, and the cells and molecules they solved decay into their own level. You break apart the social system that is suffering, but it's still the energies that bind. It is loser is lesser, however, there is more complexity. There is more freedom. There's more possibility off adjustment, the higher you go on these levels. So basically what I want to demonstrate here to you is a unity off nature. A unity that includes human beings includes human society and that ultimately takes us from the quarks from the most miners particles that were created in the first microsecond off the existence of the universe. It takes us through evolution, evolution on earth. And there's another planet toward a society that encompasses all of the systems on the planet in a single unity. And of course, this could be none other than the society of all off the higher level societies become all human societies all the ecologists as there, life giving environment that is the global society that we go on now, too. One other factor here, which is important to note just how systems form on these various organizational levels. Scientists have observed that friend sufficiently complex component Such a heavy molecules brutal self cells are exposed to a flow of energy. When you emerged them in a floor plan is they tend to become organized in such a way that they incorporate these energies, make use of them. Iran must insert one well known factor which our the often tend to forget is that if you want to keep anything going, whether it's your car, your body, your parliament, whatever you have to constantly replenish it because it does use energy, does use information and is organized This information, Every time you move, you dissipate. You, uh, used up Energis. You take in fresh air, you breathe it, taken oxygen, taken nourishment you take in C N ages by that means so we exist in a floor manager. Where's this slow come from? It comes from the sun. Almost all organisms today accepts a newly discovered deep sea organisms that live on geothermal energy with very few of those all other forms offline live on solar energy and live in this flow. This flow which is translated by primitive photosynthetic organisms into the green leaf which is being eaten by other animals. Other animals are still others et cetera. Until we get to the highest level creditors, it all forms. A system point I'd like to make first is that these many systems form cycles self maintaining cycles which constantly replenish the energies that are being used up so they maintain themselves That's a precondition off evolution. If you would close. I'm sorry. I just interject this point and I go back to my sex in a moment. If you would close up this room hermetically seal it, what would happen? We are Hopefully it's a nice inter community Inter communicating group. At the present time, we like to think together. We like to feel together, but close it up. Not all the goodwill in the world to keep us alive. The air will gradually be used up. The temperature would equalize around their body temperatures which could live this. But Brother Warren, uh, the ultimately we would die and ultimately all our bodies would be K and dissolved the stable components. Why we have to take in not only have to taken nourishment to take in air, we have to take in all of the things that man Tina alive. And of course, if a community such as the high community are a Christian or whatever community is to maintain itself, it also has to feed constantly on information on new inputs, which it does. Your case is, I think it's revelation. So, uh, we are open systems cementing ourselves in this floor and the only way we can stay put is my evolving. By using these inputs to improve ourselves to evolve further, let me have the next one. There was another famous physicist, Montreat Eigen, Still alive today is a relatively young man who has discovered that even at the very basis off life, the way these nuclear assets that called the cells the organisms the most basic mechanisms offline the way these are organized is in these cooperative cycles the constantly breaking, being in energy and wanting least another. For example, if you look at one of those circles, give your time that it has, According to the arrow, it has the information necessary to reproduce itself, but not on the village reproduce itself. It will also catalyze our producer in this case, an enzyme, a box. And this enzyme, in turn, will catalyze the production off another nuclear Guess it. But aside from the complexity of this particular example, you can apply to any human group for example, we not on the mental in ourselves. We also bring out ideas that help other people menting themselves on institutions are interacting. One thing maintains itself meant somebody something else at the same time, so that these cycles, when they form the trees system and these higher level systems are the ones that exists in the universe and that can evolve into still higher and higher levels of complexity. And as you see in a moment, let me just end at this point that these cycles are the ones that he must create on the global level, on the international level. If we are to have a global society because they are lacking as a society is enclosed in its own circles, we do not move outside of here are not in any dependable way. Let me get to the next one. If you look at the way all life is organized on Earth, you will find that in general terms it is organized in terms of the cycles, energy flows from the sun. And you see the biosphere is that rather panties and circle, which is about as even as I could make it. But his pencil uh, this is the biosphere. Recently, Biosphere energy reaches the plant. The plants are food for animals, food for other animals, etcetera. Everything is used. Even the dead bodies off time our animals fertilize the soil and even in decay, they feed new life. Everything is used except some waste energy, which, already when the solar energy is having been used, is, as the business is called degraded a lower level off energy as waste heat is radiated off, and they did it off into space. And the whole biosphere is a kind of a living, breathing organism that uses the solar energy, maintains itself and evolves its subsystem, evolved them into greater and greater unity into greater and greater interred existence. Co existence. It does this in nature. The global ecology is one unit. Then comes men create society which breaks up nature for selfish, perfectly. And what we have to decide now is how to clear out off these many selfish, self centered units whereby the global ecology has been broken up into the local ecologist at war with one another. How this can be put together again into a global unity, which will be the highest level off unity that we can achieve on Earth before getting back to the behind it. I think they're not a figure. Let me just add an additional factor the way evolution progresses is through alternating faces off stability and instability. This is the key factor. If all systems in the world were to come into being, the locals are sufficient stability to extend or changes in the environment. Then the world will still be populated by highs of genetics and hardly anything else. Evolution unfolds precisely because the system that emerge in its course are not stable. They can be disturbed. They can be moved out off these stable states. They can be destabilized. Many, many experiments now confirmed that a critically destabilized system is produced in the laboratory. It enters a transitory phase, correct, but in the terminus E by random random some degree of here. But this chaotic days comes to an end. Then the same destabilized system settled into a new mode of organization, possibly and very often on a higher level of organising complex systems that appear in the real world. Always have these multiple possibilities for achieving a new kind of stability in one of these steady states is disturbed other teddy states for the stable states and become accessible. And there is a simple law, a simple regularity that discovered in science. Further assistance are from a state off Librium and here, very specific equilibrium with me. Admit not a psychological balance, but thermodynamic equilibrium. Which means that there are no new energy possibility. No floor manager know, Grady. End of energy. Everything is equalized. If you would close this room, as I said a moment ago, totally after X number of days or weeks, we would be in actually Bria. That means or there will be no difference with your need to all be decaying to the same level. Temperature would be the same. And this kind of unity is only But the further we are from this excellent Bree, Um, from this absolute uniformity, the more dynamic we are, the more choices there are for us to find new ways of organizing ourselves. Let me look at the next on the left off this, you'll find the area where proposes that we are closest to equilibrium. As we move to the right, we move further away from actually become more dynamic. Now there are long periods during which nothing much happens. A system is stable 10 times. The society can be stable. Species is unchanged. Hydrogen atom in the vast reaches of from galaxy remains the same as you move toward in time, there could be a point in which the stability is disrupted and something new emerges, a critical instability across. Then the system can move into another face called the so called He's change occurs in other states is occupied by the system, and the state is further from excellent. Bree Um, it's a more complex, and the further you go, the more frequently this is this. The stabilization occur and the greater the number off alternatives available. Just think of how many alternatives that are for the hydrogen in the universe. You know, if you take in any high school physics class that the hydrogen can transform into helium on the complex, processes can further transform into deuterium et cetera. But basically, there's not much choice for a poor hydrogen. Akka once is destabilized inside the sun, for example, in an extremely hot environment, However, if you take an organist how many mutations are available for biological species? How many new kinds of species could evolve if you take a society? Look at the enormous range of possibilities, possibly all of the societies in history. I just an infinitely small segment off the possible type, society and culture that we could develop on Earth. It hand it began this enormous development. This is why I think it's quite trying when it stated in the higher I think that we are just in the age of adolescence. They're hardly explored what it is to be an adult in that let me conclude this part now and then, just a few more things afterwards before ending uh, by trying to put these things together the unity of nature, which encompasses the unity off humanity and the immunity off society moving from level to level off organizations toward complexity. What also vulnerability that freedom and creativity moving higher level through periods of stability and periods of instability through long period. Borden and Short period of Transformation effect. Bomb biologists Professor Asia said that all biological evolution seems to resemble the life of a soldier life. The soldier, which is basically long periods of boredom interspersed short periods of terror on If you get on now towards our own condition inhumanity, we find that whatever period of boredom there may have been in the Middle Ages, they weren't very long, but there were certain amount of stability on lack off Major change for a number of centuries has come to an end, has come to an end already in the 19th century, and we are heading toward a period of change. And if you're clever, it will not be a period of terror but appeared off creative change and you face change into something else into a greater level of units. All right, just a short remark. Because looking into the future, let me first of all say that I've been very inspired and very pleased to have received a letter on Lee two weeks ago. The new book by Dr Hussein Donna on Unity indicated foundational piece. And I quite agree with what he writes among others there. And let me quote just one or two sentences from him. He says that in the final analysis or successful transformation of human societies must off necessity conform to universal law off growth. This is what I've been talking about, the universal law of growth. But he s and I quite agree that the gross dynamics off societies, the same as of human beings, are natural as well as intentional. But they must respect the universal laws of evolution. They can exploit the freedom within the law to create the kind of growth and development that makes us and our world diverse. United on beautiful. So Randy, talk about the New World Order. These are big concepts that have to keep in mind natural as well as intentions. These are the natural law, growth, evolution. They're very permissive because, as I said, they're highly created. The more complex the system, the more creative it can be. So intentional evolution comes into play. We could master our own effort. And then I am struck again by another passage from yoga. Even though I'm sure you know it all by heart, Let me just take a moment to read it because this is a prophetic inside, which I find very great Related is what he says. A world community in which all economic barriers will have impermanent demolished and interdependence of capital and labor definitely recognize, you know, the Cramer off religious fanaticism strife have been forever sealed, in which the flame off racial animosity we have finally extinguished image. A single quote of international law, the product of the considered judgment off the world's Federated Representative shall have as sanction the instant and courses intervention off the combined forces of the Federated Unit and finally a world community. In the fury off a capricious and militant nationalism, we have been transmuted into an abiding consciousness off world citizenship. Such indeed appears in its broadest outline the order anticipated by Baha'u'llah and order that you come to be regarded as the fairest fruit off slowly maturing and s ee ed just continue. It caused for a wider loyalty for a larger respiration that any that has enemies of the human race. It insists upon the subordination, off national impulses and interests to the imperative claims off a unified. It's a feud. It's excessive centralization on one hand and disclaims all attempts at uniformity. On the other, it's watchword. Is unity in diversity Have a tremendously gratified yesterday and please that Madame Rabbani emphasized the same sector because what the behind prophecy tells us about the future of human kind anticipates the remarkable degree. The conclusions This independently derived application of these new sciences of complexity for the behind profits outlines assistant form on the global planetary level of organization. By this complex cycle, the so called hyper cycle connecting the functioning off divers, yet harmonized nations, peoples and cultures When the New World order arrived. Today's nation state, we have given up their claims of unconditional sovereignty and acknowledge their membership in the human family. A show Be Offended said. What else could this weighty words signify if they did not point to the inevitable curtailment off until national sovereignty, as an indispensable preliminary to the formation of the future common belt off all the nations of the world, Let me have it last lithe the last thing I'd like to look at. If you apply these insights from the science combined ing with the prophetic insights from the founders of the height you see, you will see a harmonious development which accelerates tremendous. Perhaps it accelerates as we are now entering the critical cases off adolescent collected. Otherwise, it's moved from simple society with a highly stable. You know that about 99% off the time off. All societies on Earth or organized human societies have been spent in the Stone Age in stony societies, have a highly stable, highly integrated in their environment hunting, gathering societies. They had been destabilized by the invention among other things on fire off the domestication of animals, off agriculture, the Neolithic Revolution, new kinds of society. Agrarian pastor, off societies transforming into agricultural society. These societies, in turn, to the invention of writing communications, growing technologies, the wheel better. Most of transportation charting off the seas, etcetera transforming into higher level, more complex science. Fewer and fewer people engaged in growing food in taking care of the necessities of life. More and more people being able to engage in culture and culture pursuits in intellectual pursuit. Until today, in a very small percentage off, the labor force works in the so called primary sectors, off agriculture and most basic goods for survival. More and more of us are working now in the service is more more in the cultural intellectual field is remove up chances. The perspective, the freedom of choice increases have it removed from these agricultural societies. We move toward the feudal If you like pre industrial societies, industrial societies. Now they're moving into posting. These post industrial societies are now operating in such a way in which day are becoming strongly interdependent. And this is the last point I'd like to make what I'd like to make it as clearly as I can. And as forcefully as I can you hear a great deal about living in a global village. I don't believe we do. I think we live in a kind of global interdependent world, logged into AA lot off national and local villages were locked together in an interdependent. But we do not know how to make use of this. Interdependent were at each other's throats. Mankind is one. We are all its citizens, but we haven't created yet. That state obviously could be joined citizens. This fight off the many signs off interdependent. Despite the many efforts off international organizations, United Nations, too many regional bodies, many many international private sector organizations, such a multinational corporation, non governmental organizations since one. Despite of this world, it's today in a highly unstable condition. It is moving from one crisis to another, and you have to realize that this age of maturity that waiting is yet to be achieved. We are operating on the threshold off a major change of a major. He's changed a major transformation and to my mind, if I look for hopeful, hopeful signs are not directly in the achievements off multinational corporations in a court or Resolution street in the United Nations. This could be all important element, but they're not designed development. These are all progress signs of progress, which is far too slow to keep pace with the growth off interdependence. With the growth off the human population now five billions at this moment, growing too, are over 6,000,000,000 by the turn of the century and is tremendous appetite. It has technology for energy, for information, tremendous rising expectations. To keep pace with all this, we do have to create some kind of a global globalist, expanded extended civilization. And these tiny steps that were taken today are not sufficient. Together there will be a major change this system, as it is now, even if the signs of progress that it makes is not sustainable. I cannot see on divisions of the information that I had at my disposal in the United Nations on the basis of the discussions were having in the rubble thrown or anywhere else. I cannot see how this present system could survive into the 10%. It is going to be a major change, and in this major change, the seeds off. The new order will come to blossom, and those sees that plan today. We'll have the chance to blossom into a new order tomorrow, with what I want is a final thought. But I want to reach leave with you is this Freedom is a marvelous thing, but it's also dangerous because it can lead us into a new world that is creative, that is fulfilling, that is humane. You can also lead us into a new world that is repressive, that is inhumane, that is full of terror. If you like with at the start of the 1000 year Reich and enforce it with the nuclear bomb, we would have had a reign of terror for a long time. They're not for 1000 years, but perhaps in our lifetime. This is always a possibility. The loss of evolution will not dictate the exact kind of society that will emerge. I am convinced that unless through some incredible stupidity or accident will wipe ourselves off the face of this Earth through a nuclear catastrophe. Unless that happens, we will create a global society. But what kind of that is the case? We could create a global dictators. Hopefully, we will create the Humane Society a society in the individual can grow, can develop, can become a citizen and a participating agent off this new world. And for this reason, I think movement such as yours such wanton, all participating in this moment has such crucial importance. These are receipts which today are repressed. But tomorrow we'll have the chance to grow. I hope we can all go visit. Thank you very much. We have a few minutes for questions. There are Mike's place in the audience. And if you'd like to ask a question, would you please go to a mike? Yes. Um, Dr Laszlo, interested in the dynamics of the instability? Uh, as you referred, Our classical understanding of evolution and growth is having some sort of impetus that's pushing it. We now realize that it seems to be more of a relationship between what you call favorable conditions, a sort of a fertility and a potency. I got it. It seems to be more of ah, really evolution, currents of civilization hallmark the introduction of a totally new type of organism, and that is human consciousness. We have seen that evolve itself into finally, a state of maturity and on a recognition of many of the things that are social sciences, are realizing as well. I'm just wondering if you would comment on the dynamics of instability. We know that it's not. We're not pushed out of periods of stability. And there seems to be a relationship between the fertility of some sort of stability in relationship to a new potency that makes new things possible. Maybe you would comment on that in terms of the development of human consciousness and awareness of itself, very, very potent question. It would call for an entire new discussion. Perfect. And continue it informally, have a couple of questions. One of your attention seems to be focused in such a highly specialized way upon a specific reality. I wonder if you believe in the concept that consciousness creates reality repeated all as your attention to be focused in a highly specialized way upon a specific reality. I wonder if you believe in the concept that consciousness creates reality. I have a couple of other questions to maybe I'll give them all at once. The other one is, um, you knew of your, uh I'm taking. I'm nervous in your, uh, acceptance of the universal laws of growth and evolutionary laws. Do you believe that man has free will? And why are you not in the way? Wait. Let me also the last first way. No, I would say no to the first question, but not an unqualified no question. Consciousness creates reality. I think reality was there before there were consciousness in the humans pieces. If human species could disappear, infected all higher pieces on dollars. This consciousness in the universe and I'm convinced there are many would disappear. The universe would still be there. This is a basic realism if you like, which I share is almost all natural scientists. I think consciousness sheep reality, I think consciousness remarkable extent can control can dominate reality if it becomes fully cognizant office within limits. I don't think the laws of nature are the creation of consciousness. I think with our consciousness, we can grasp these laws toe are more or less precise extent heavy grass on the better. We can use them more altruistically. We use them the more you use them to further all off evolution in within our sphere, the better it is for way cannot be selfish But it's another argument because eventually it'll backfire on us because we don't evolve. The whole universe evolved on the whole planet, evolved in this way. We've always in there. It's also to some extent worse. Answer the question off. He will free will. If it was absolutely free, think what is with me. It would mean that he could do anything. That would mean that there are no law off nature or man made laws, Nothing that would constrain us. That would be a chaotic. That would be a random universe. I don't think we live in such a universe. I think we have will in the sense off choice we can choose among alternatives and to the extent that we are conscious of the alternatives are choice can be important. And then officials. I think we have free will, but it's not absolutely free will. I'm for one happy with that kind of doctor, Laszlo, You're speaking of societies that are getting increasingly complex and further and further from equilibrium and more and more unstable, and I don't see any leveling off in your trend there on your graph. I'm wondering if it is the interdependence of post industrial society that you think will enable it to reach a new Ecolab Reum, or whether that has to be some other fundamental shift whereby we can overcome this tendency towards further and further instability. We live in a world that is finite but unbounded in nonsense world words. But I'm not not referring to the universe to be beautiful, but to the planet. It's a finite planet, but it's unbounded. It's fine at NHIS, means that way have to live together on it, and they cannot. If you don't like each other, always go west, for example. We cannot always go to New territories. Way have now. We're now inhabiting almost all habitable parts on this substitute saving and somehow moved to the bottom of this.